
Yet liberals continue to count the Bush tax cuts as some type of 'cost' and attribute the deficit to that cost, which is imaginary. The tax cuts spurred investment and activity that made up for the cut. In the mind of the liberal, every penny you have is the governments, and anything that is not confiscated by the government they see as a cost. That's the thinking of a statist. Here's a graphic that I've seen thrown out by liberals many times:
Funny how the Bush tax cuts that expire this year are accounted into the deficit in 2011, 2012, 2013, etc, no? Also, note that spending increases are conspicuously missing. So is the interest we pay on our growing debt. Matter of fact is that the FY 2007 federal budget - the last one put together by Republicans - was $2.7 trillion. Since Pelosi and Reid took over the federal budget is at $3.8 trillion. The deficit is entirely comprised of new Democrat spending since 2007. It's liberal tripe, and the Wall Street Journal puts together a fine piece to argue against it on the basis of fact, not feeling (via memeorandum): The Bush Tax Cuts and the Deficit Myth
• The Bush tax cuts wiped out last decade's budget surpluses. Sen. John Kerry (D., Mass.), for example, has long blamed the tax cuts for having "taken a $5.6 trillion surplus and turned it into deficits as far as the eye can see." That $5.6 trillion surplus never existed. It was a projection by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) in January 2001 to cover the next decade. It assumed that late-1990s economic growth and the stock-market bubble (which had already peaked) would continue forever and generate record-high tax revenues. It assumed no recessions, no terrorist attacks, no wars, no natural disasters, and that all discretionary spending would fall to 1930s levels.That's just one of several points made in the piece. I highly recommend you read it all.
The projected $5.6 trillion surplus between 2002 and 2011 will more likely be a $6.1 trillion deficit through September 2011. So what was the cause of this dizzying, $11.7 trillion swing? I've analyzed CBO's 28 subsequent budget baseline updates since January 2001. These updates reveal that the much-maligned Bush tax cuts, at $1.7 trillion, caused just 14% of the swing from projected surpluses to actual deficits (and that is according to a "static" analysis, excluding any revenues recovered from faster economic growth induced by the cuts).
The bulk of the swing resulted from economic and technical revisions (33%), other new spending (32%), net interest on the debt (12%), the 2009 stimulus (6%) and other tax cuts (3%). Specifically, the tax cuts for those earning more than $250,000 are responsible for just 4% of the swing. If there were no Bush tax cuts, runaway spending and economic factors would have guaranteed more than $4 trillion in deficits over the decade and kept the budget in deficit every year except 2007.





This is what Democrats do, and do very well. If history is against you, re-write it. If the statistics are against you, make up your own. If the story doesn't fit, make up a new one.
ReplyDeleteTo be fair, the Democrats could never get away with it without their willing accomplices in the state-run MSM.
ReplyDeleteThe affect of the Reagan tax cuts has been well documented with increasing revenues to the IRS. But his administration also increased debt which has been an ongoing issues ever since.
ReplyDeleteThere's so much fail I don't know where to begin.
ReplyDeleteTFA: Similarly, when Bush cut taxes, again across the board early in the decade, revenues to the federal government did not go down!
Federal government revenues were lower in 2002-2004 compared to 2001.
TFA: Similarly, despite liberals crying that too many tax cuts went to the wealthy, the fact is that the top 1% now pay more federal taxes than the bottom 95%
Meaning what, that the rich got richer in relation to the poor? And this is a good thing? Funny how you complained about static analysis earlier.
TFA: The tax cuts spurred investment and activity that made up for the cut.
Even Bush's advisors don't believe that.
Heritage.org considers your belief a "Myth":
Myth #3: Supply-side economics assumes that all tax cuts immediately pay for themselves.
Fact: It assumes replenishment of some but not necessarily all lost revenues.
TFA: Funny how the Bush tax cuts that expire this year are accounted into the deficit in 2011, 2012, 2013, etc, no?
I would guess that they assumed that the tax cuts would be extended, as Republicans have asked.
TFA: Matter of fact is that the FY 2007 federal budget - the last one put together by Republicans - was $2.7 trillion. Since Pelosi and Reid took over the federal budget is at $3.8 trillion. The deficit is entirely comprised of new Democrat spending since 2007.
The last budget put together by Bush, a Republican, was $3.1 trillion and did not include many costs, such as the cost of the wars.
The tax cuts continue to incur costs into the future because of the fact that spending that would have been financed by current tax receipts was instead financed by borrowing, increasing the deficit in future years as interest and principal payments come due.
ReplyDeleteIt's really quite simple actually.
There's so much fail I don't know where to begin, but here's a few points for you:
ReplyDeleteTFA: Similarly, when Bush cut taxes, again across the board early in the decade, revenues to the federal government did not go down!
Federal government revenues were lower in 2002-2004 compared to 2001.
TFA: Similarly, despite liberals crying that too many tax cuts went to the wealthy, the fact is that the top 1% now pay more federal taxes than the bottom 95%
Meaning what, that the rich got richer in relation to the poor? And this is a good thing? Funny how you complained about static analysis earlier.
TFA: The tax cuts spurred investment and activity that made up for the cut.
Even Bush's advisors don't believe that.
TFA: Funny how the Bush tax cuts that expire this year are accounted into the deficit in 2011, 2012, 2013, etc, no?
I would guess that they assumed that the tax cuts would be extended, as Republicans have asked.
TFA: Matter of fact is that the FY 2007 federal budget - the last one put together by Republicans - was $2.7 trillion. Since Pelosi and Reid took over the federal budget is at $3.8 trillion. The deficit is entirely comprised of new Democrat spending since 2007.
The last budget put together by Bush, a Republican, was $3.1 trillion and did not include many costs, such as the cost of the wars.
Yep, I am sure glad that those Democrats are the ones that voted for the Medicare expansion and wars that led to the budget swing. I also like the fact that you are willing to post a chart that shows the wealth disparity between the upper 1% and the bottom 95% and how fast it has grown since Reagan was in office.
ReplyDeleteTaxes paid by the <95% have decreased because incomes have remained flat, decreased, or even ceased between 2000-2010. During the same time, incomes for the >95% have increased at an inverse rate, which equates to their paying a higher amount in overall taxes. The better-and more accurate-graph would be one that tracks the amount of tax dollars paid as a percentage of gross income for both populations. It would be very easy to create, too-just switch the labels on each of the lines.
ReplyDeleteOh sure. The tax breaks for the rich didn't cause the deficit, but fatcats are willing (eager even) to blame the old people & disabled trying to eak out their existence on what little Social Security they get each month.
ReplyDeleteIt's an atrocity against humanity to blame the most helpless & blameless for the crimes commited by the most wealthy and powerful.
Well as for your comment about that graphic and the Bush tax cuts expiring - that graph came from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a left-leaning think tank in Washington. Their estimates are based on the likely path of policy, not policy as it's enacted. The assumption is that the vast majority of the Bush tax cuts will be extended. If that doesn't happen, obviously, they wouldn't be a part of the deficit. Notice, though, that even if they did expire on time, the tax cuts count for a substantial portion or our current deficit.
ReplyDeleteAnd um...no, the deficit is not comprised entirely of new spending since 2007. Before Obama took office in January 2009 the deficit for that year and the next few years was going to be over $1 trillion. And the idea that the deficit is the Democrats fault after two wars, medicare part D, and tax cuts, and TARP (a bush program, remember?), all paid for on the national credit card and all initiated and backed by Republicans is absolutely positively laughable.
ReplyDeleteLike this is credible.
ReplyDelete"state-run MSM" LOL.
Well, first off, let me commend you on being up to date by posting a graph of 2007. Let me also commend you on ignoring the fact that the top 1%'s income growth is much larger than the bottom 95%, which is of course going to mean they pay more in taxes. Here's something you've never seen before: it's called citing something in context. Ready?
ReplyDeletehttp://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/top-1-paid-more-in-federal-income-taxes-than-bottom-95-in-07/
Whoa!
Wow, it sure is funny how those crazy libs count the Bush tax cuts are accounted in the future deficit. Money now is worth more than money later. It's called the time value of money. Here's another one of those crazy citings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_value_of_money
See, all that money that went into the giant hole that is the bank accounts of the top 1% could have been invested. The money generated from the investment of the several hundred billion would have been reinvested, the gains of which would have been reinvested. In other words, the repercussions of the tax cuts will carry on beyond the fact that they *gasp* expire this year.
You don't believe me? How about this. You loan me 100,000 dollars, and I'll go ahead and give you 100,000 dollars in two decades. You won't do it? Oh, well you're a hypocrite.
Ah, right, it was those darn Democrat's fault. How dare the CBO, a bipartisan group, predict our budget on the current income in 2001. They should have based it on the amount of money they were going to make! You know, with that crystal ball. Oh but it was that darn recession! That crazy unpredictable recession that just happened to happen during the reign of the worst president in modern history. Oh, but that had nothing to do with any governmental policies or anything. Oh wait, there's a recession now? It must be Obama's fault! Presidents have full control now!
Let me also commend you on finding a way to get internet access in your trailer. I didn't know Comcast reached your area.
The problem with the top graph is that tax brackets are fixed numbers income is not. So for example person A makes less than 25,000 a year versus someone in the top 1% who makes 490,000,000 million you would need about 61000 people making that much to equal the amount paid Bush/Clinton maximum income bracket with the capital gains being even less. So lets see a comparison of how much the income of the top 1% has grown versus the bottom 95%.
ReplyDelete1) Talking about the burden of the top 1% is meaningless unless you compare it to the income and wealth of the top 1%. If they're making most of the money and own most of the wealth, duh, they should be paying most of the taxes.
ReplyDelete2) You ignore the fact that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not included in the Bush budget - they were intentionally kept off the books and only added in recently.
3) The top marginal tax rates is the lowest its been in decades.
4) The very wealthy at the top get more income from capital gains than from jobs, hence Warren Buffet's comment that he pays a lower tax rate than does his secretary.
"In the mind of the liberal, every penny you have is the governments, and anything that is not confiscated by the government they see as a cost."
ReplyDeleteWell said. This attitude is why I, as a libertarian, have a harder time connecting with liberals than conservatives. They seem to be aggressively against economic freedom. Strange that they can't see how their attitude is tantamount to slavery.
Thanks for the insight. I will keep an eye on your blog in the future.
First, revenues to the federal government did go down after the Bush tax cuts.
ReplyDelete2000: $2025 billion
2001: $1991 billion
2002: $1853 billion
2003: $1782 billion
2004: $1880 billion
2005: $2153 billion
The tax cuts set us back about five years of revenue growth.
Second, that the top 1% pay more taxes than the bottom 95% reflects the fact that their income as a percentage of total income has doubled over the time period shown. If their share of income has doubled but their share of the tax burden has not, it proves that they have enjoyed disproportionate tax cuts: indeed, their tax rate has decreased by about a third over the time period.
Lastly, the idea that "the deficit is entirely composed of new Democratic spending since 2007" is wrong. For one thing, tax revenues have dropped by about $450 billion from 2007 to 2009: that $2.7 trillion budget that Republicans passed would produce a $600 billion deficit today, in addition to the expenses of the wars.
Can you show proof that the tax revenue is the same. It's illogical that tax revenue could be the same under a cut. If tax cuts spur investment and growth why did Bush preside over one of the most sluggish economies???
ReplyDeletehttp://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/invincible-ignorance/
ReplyDeleteempirical disproves the writer.
It should be stated that the data set used here also clearly shows that the effective tax rate decreased on all groups during this period. The wealthiest 10% from a rate of 26.41% to 22.45%. The reason that the share paid by the wealthiest has increased is due to an increasingly unequal distribution of wealth. The top 1%'s share of AGI nearly doubled in the same time period from 12% to 22%. Which accounts for a near doubling of the share of taxes.
ReplyDeleteIt is also amusing that a similar distribution exists among the top 1% with the top 10% of it paying more than the bottom 90%. Deadbeats.
Also if one were to have held the same tax rate as in the beginning of the period (Reagan Administration) and assuming tax rates are on the correct side of the Laffer curve the cumulative deficit would be smaller, especially so if the Clinton era tax rates had been maintained.
You can't argue logically against a position by using meaningless percentage-based statistics. Saying the top 1% pays more in tax than the bottom 95% is a vapid argument considering their huge income gains relative to the 95%.
ReplyDeleteAnd aren't those huge income gains (in spite of their supposedly onerous tax burden) unexplained by accepted conservative orthodoxy?
Sorry professor you are cherry-picking the data and leaving out the important parts, so let me help you:
ReplyDeletelet's try that again:
Here's the problem with his argument:
you chart is impressive, but only until you look at the ones here: http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html that show that the top 1% in this country control over 43% of the nation's financial wealth, which means that the richest Americans aren't even paying their proportional share of taxes, much less the enhanced contribution they are supposed to pay under our system of progressive taxation
Not to criticize the people who disagree with this blog too much, but on the "against side" we have someone who reverenced Wikipedia, and a person who listed the combined income "i think" of the top 1% of the population as 490 million million, I didn't think there were 100,000 billionaires in the world, much less our country, but I could be wrong.
ReplyDeleteTo the man that blamed the entire recession on Bush Policies and practices, you may want to know that many of the people who could have stopped the current crisis, and tho policies that hamstrung the government response, were put in place or appointed in the mid 90's. and to the person that posted right before me, you do realize that by your own argument, according to the graph, we 95% of Americans have managed to misplace or lose about 17% of the total (roughly 30% of our share), as opposed to them(top tier) missing less than 10% of "what they owe," which is probably more than made up for by their contributions to charities and nonprofit organizations WORLD WIDE. And I don't suppose that any of you bothered to read the Wall Street Journal article.
and why do all of you insist on including the tax cuts in the budget deficit, budgets are(or should be) based on actual income, money not made cant(shouldn't be) be included.